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Behöver hjälp med att hjälpa min farmor.

2017.12.04 21:56 snallahjalpminfarmor Behöver hjälp med att hjälpa min farmor.

Hej!
Jag och min farmor behöver hjälp och jag vet inte riktigt hur jag ska gå till väga.
Lite bakgrund: Jag är i 20-årsåldern och jobbar som extraanställd i en säsongsberoende industri. De senaste månaderna har jag inte fått många pass alls och jag kommer bli tvungen att ta från mitt sparande för att betala januarihyran.
Min farmor gick i pension för typ tio år sedan och skulle kunna leva någorlunda ordentligt på den om det inte var för en sak - min pappa.
Min pappa är föredetta missbrukare numera sjukpensionär med allvarliga psykiska problem som är så djupt i skuld att han aldrig kommer bli fri. Han praktiskt taget badar i inkassobrev. Med jämna mellanrum så tar han fel dosering av sin medicin och blir helt väck och gör de skevaste grejerna. För någon vecka sedan hade de stängt av elen för honom så jag var tvungen att gå in med 2800 kronor (av de 4500 jag fick den månaden) och idag så ringde farmor och berättade att han hade haft sönder sin dator (han jobbade med datorer på 90-talet och tror att han kan något om elektronik så han brukar ta isär och ha sönder det mesta) så han behövde komma över och låna min för att ens kunna betala denna månads räkningar.
Det här har varit min farmors liv i typ 50 år och hon pallar inte mer. Jag har pratat med henne tidigare om det och hon har förklarat att hon tar hand om honom för att han är familj men han är den mest otacksamma skitstöveln ni kan tänka er. Hon städar och lagar mat åt honom (på egen bekostnad), går ut med hans hund som han vanvårdar, betalar räkningar när det går snett och försöker portionera ut hans medicin så att han inte blir sådär skev i huvudet. Han ligger bara i sängen och kollar på TV och skriker på henne. Han är skyldig henne tiotusentals kronor som han aldrig kommer betala tillbaka.
Så jag vill hjälpa henne få ett slut på det här och vill således fråga er om råd vad vi skulle kunna göra. Har läst på om psykiatrisk tvångsvård men problemet där är att han kan vara helt sammanhängande och vettig flera veckor i sträck. Det är så han har lyckats klara sig undan några konsekvenser så länge, läkarbesöken har alltid varit tajmade så att han framstår som vettig. Han har förlorat körkortet flera gånger de senaste åren för att han somnat vid ratten och allt möjligt annat men får alltid tillbaka det efter att ha pissat rent i ett och ett halvt år eller nåt.
När farmor föreslog gruppboende blev han så arg att hon blev rädd att han skulle misshandla henne.
Jag sade till farmor att jag ska prata med honom och förklara att han fått sin sista chans från oss nu, att om det händer igen så får han klara sig på egen hand även om det betyder att han hamnar på gatan, och att vi har fått nog. Jag förklarade också för farmor att det är extremt viktigt att vi faktiskt följer igenom med det hotet och om han kommer och ber om hjälp så måste vi avvisa honom. Om inte så är vi tillbaka på ruta ett. Vet ej om farmor klarar av det.
En annan sak som plågar min farmor är vetskapen att när hon går bort så kommer hälften av hennes pengar gå till honom eller, rättare sagt, direkt till Kronofogden genom honom. Detta är mest pengarna från försäljningen av hennes tvåa på 70 kvm som hon köpte för 65k för ett årtionde sedan eller nåt. Detta vill hon verkligen undvika. Jag förslog att hon kunde sälja sin lägenhet och köpa en annan någon annanstans "åt mig" som jag sedan "hyr ut" till henne. När hon väl går bort behöver hon då inte oroa sig för att han ska ärva något av det då det är jag som äger lägenheten - funkar det lagligt sett? Eller kommer vi stöta på problem med Skatteverket eller Kronofogden eller vilka som nu är inblandade?
Jag vill verkligen hjälpa henne eftersom hon är den släkting jag står närmast då min mamma sade upp kontakten med mig förra året för jag skrattade åt hennes nya företagsidé (Speed-dating för Kristna singlar som jobbar inom räddningstjänsten i Filipstad. Skämtar inte ens. Hon ville hyra en herrgård för att host:a det och andra "singelevent".), min mormor är död, min morfar blev fängslad av kommunister i Polen under Sovjettiden (Därför hennes sida av familjen ens flydde till Sverige till att börja med.) och min pappa är som han är. Min farfar är helt okej men han är den där gamla typen av man som är rädd för att visa känslor så det är lite svårt att prata med honom och bonda.
Blev en väldigt lång post och det är sent på kvällen så förstår om jag inte får några svar men jag skulle jättegärna vilja ha råd här. Vet inte riktigt vad jag ska ta mig till.
Tack för att ni läste.
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2012.02.20 15:56 tabledresser [Table] I am a British immigrant living in Kiruna, Sweden (inside the arctic circle) AMA.

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As a native English speaker, how hard was it to learn Swedish? Did you just immerse yourself once you were there? It's really easy, in my opinion, and this is coming from someone who only knew one language when she came here. Swedish people will tell you it is hard, but it isn't really. The main difficulty is remembering which words are en- and ett- and getting used to the slightly different grammar. Swedish people are very forgiving with minor errors like that though. I was making myself understood in everyday situations within a month or two of living there. All immigrants are entitled to free Swedish education (Svenska för invandrare or "Swedish for immigrants") which helps a lot too. As well, I would really recommend www.babbel.com for learning Swedish. It was priceless for me. I have tried Rosetta Stone too, but found it mostly useless.
Swede here (master race et c) and I do agree about the immigration point, we are very xenophobic about middle eastern people because of the bad reputation they amass down south. They literally attack ambulances which are there to help them, or fire trucks. Also do you use the "sju" sound for "yes" up in "Norrland"? ;) It doesn't sound qiute like "sju", but yeah my boyfriend and his family use it :) I don't have that habit.
As a Swede who spent the last couple of months working in Ireland; I feel compelled to ask you about the climate. Personally I find Swedish cold much easier to cope with. I generally don't get uncomfortable until it's below -10° C. However. In Ireland I was shaking after about 20 seconds of being outside in 5° C regardless of how I dressed. My theory is that this has to do with the humidity where higher humidity is harder to protect against. So get to the question: What are your thoughts on the different types of cold in these regions? I know exactly what you mean. In the UK it's a lot more windy and humid, and it rains all the time in the winter, so you get damp and that makes you feel more cold, combined with the windchill. Here it's really easy to stay warm in the winter, I don't find it an issue at all. I would rather be in Sweden during the winter than the UK.
Have you dreamed in Swedish yet? If so, how soon after arriving did you notice that you were speaking/hearing Swedish in your dreams? After like a year of living here, I was getting into some midway phase between Swedish and English, and then I would have horribly garbled dreams in both languages. I started having a lot of problems speaking English as well: when talking to my family on the phone I would use Swedish words mixed in with English without realising. After like 1 1/2 years I was having clear dreams only in Swedish (but not always - sometimes just in English, but never mixed up) and I had made a mental division between the two. I still have problems keeping Swedish out of English though. Not sure if this happens to everybody.
Do you ever miss where you used to live? And where did you used to live? Not really. I lived in Croydon, London before I moved here. It was dirty, full of crime, and not a nice place to live. A while after I left the apartment building I used to live in got burned down by the London riots.
You've seen me?! -closes curtains- Many times ... ;)
Vad tycker du om staden hittils? Den kan vara tråkig för nån som har bott i London, för att det finns inte så mycket att göra for unga folk.. men jag tycker om friluftslivet och Lappland är ju fantastiskt för att vandra osv. Jag flyttar till Uppsala i hösten för att gå på universitet där, det kommer förhoppningsvis lite mer intressant. Jag älskar sverige iaf.
What did you have to do to immigrate there? As an EU citizen, didn't you already have the right to live and work in Sweden? I came on the train, moved in with my boyfriend, and then registered at skatteverket (the tax office) for a personnummer (personal number). Once I had that, I applied for uppehållstillstånd (a residence permit). I have the right to live there as an EU citizen under something called "right of residence" (different from a residence permit), but to do that I had to have a job. As I didn't have a job at first, I applied for a residence permit. That took about 6 months to arrive, but you're allowed to live and work here whilst you're waiting. The permit was for two years, and when it expired I renewed it and got a permanent permit, which entitles me, amongst other things to CSN (university student loans).
Why do you have to get a residence permit at all - isn't being an EU citizen and having a personnummer sufficient, unless you later want to study there? To get försäkringskassan (welfare, support with dentist bills etc), I had to give them my permit, and same for if I want to study here, and if I want to get citizenship later I need it.
On a scale of 1-10 how close is it to Skyrim? Like 3/10. I don't think Skyrim looks anything like Sweden at all. Sweden has way more forests and is way less-depressing looking.
What is your current job? and why the hell would you travel to the artic circle to do it? Answered above! I moved to live with my partner, not for job purposes.
Have you figured out a good translation for the swedish word 'lagom'? :P. Still working on that. "Just enough" seems close, but still not right. I'm still not sure how to use it myself in Swedish.
Any good translation for "fika"? ;) "coffee time"!
Do you miss summer? In the summer the sun is up 24/7 and I find it hard to sleep, so by the time it's over I'm glad of it. My love of summer waxes and wanes - in the middle of summer I can't wait for winter, and in the middle of winter I can't wait for summer.
Are you now a Swedish citizen? Is it hard to attain Swedish citizenship? I'm not a citizen. I'll be able to get citizenship after I've lived here 5 years, or 3 if I get married. I don't know how hard it is, but I imagine that as an EU citizen it will be pretty easy. After 2 years I got a permanent residence permit which entitles me to most of the same things that Swedes get, minus the right to vote.
What is business like there? How hard do people work? How does the government pay for everything? How do people have motive to work when they are taxed so high? The welfare thing seems like a myth to me. When I became unemployed here, it was much harder for me to obtain benefits than it would be in the UK, and I got a lot less than I would have in the UK. I was also required to work harder for it: I had to go to weekly lectures, sign up for some vocational courses, and report back to my "job coach" every week. I don't view the high taxes as a burden. As a comparison, I get paid around 50% more than what I would in the UK for the same job, and my rent is about half what I would pay in the UK.
How would you describe the average work week for a middle class Swede? My boyfriend is a bank manager, so he is the average middle-class guy I guess. He works 9-5 Mon-Thurs and on Friday he usually finishes at 1PM instead. On Fridays it is the norm for him to work a half day, he only works longer if really necessary. I work as a school administrator and I get to work half day on Friday fairly often too, and obviously a lot of school holidays.
Maybe this is far too general of a question - but do you know much about immigrating to the EU from elsewhere in the world? I don't really know much. The main thing I can tell you is that you're never migrating to the EU, you're migrating to a particular country, and they all have their own laws and standards for immigration. If you come from a problematic country or have a low chance of being accepted, and your goal is to be an EU citizen, your best bet might be to pick a relatively easy country to move to at first, and then move to your ideal EU country later on once you've obtained citizenship.
Can you tell us the story of how you met/ how your relationship developed, and how your parents felt about this move? We met on WoW (haha, so stereotypical), and talked for like 3 months before the first time he came to visit. I was 19 at the time and living by myself in London. My family live/lived in South Wales. I don't know if you know anything about WoW, but if you do, he was the raid leader of my guild, which was ranked something like #20 in the world at the time. So we were spending a lot of time playing and after raids we would chat together, which ended up developing as you might expect.
Who do you find to be more pennypinching, the Swedes or the Brits? I guess I would go with Swedes. One thing I found weird is that, when you go to a party, everyone has their own beer in the purple systembolaget bags and keeps their alcohol seperate. There is no sharing, that I've seen, unless someone specifically asks. At parties in the UK people were much more open with sharing beer, food, etc.
What do you think of the kaffeost? It's great with hjortron! (cloudberry?)
How hard was the visa process? Did you immigrate as a cohabitant to your boyfriend? Or maybe it was simple since the UK is in the EU? How was it to leave everything behind, and what did you do while you got up to speed on swedish? Lots of questions here, sorry! I've answered the permit process part a couple of times: you don't need a visa, you just need to register either your "right of residence" or apply for a residence permit. I tried to register my right of residence and was told that only applies to EU citizens who have a job. I didn't have a job at the time, so I applied for a permit on the basis of my relationship with my boyfriend. That took around 6 months to arrive. During that time I started Swedish classes and found a job working as a ledsagare (companion) for a disabled girl. It wasn't very hard for me to leave everything behind, but I've moved around a lot in my life and it's part of my personality to enjoy making big changes. For other people with a closer family and so on it is probably harder.
What's your favorite fast food place? MAX! Best sauce.
23 year old English male here, I've been thinking about moving to Sweden actually. Couple of mates followed girls over there and now live full time, what's it actually like in terms of cultural change? There isn't much of a cultural change really. They watch the same things on TV, listen to the same music. They have different traditions and their own folklore and so on, but that doesn't affect everyday life. In general, the Swedes I have met seem to love talking about and showing me Swedish traditions, so it isn't as if you will feel left out.
I'm told either Swedish people are a bunch of xenophobic gits or the nicest people on earth. Are all the girls there really as hot as television makes me believe? :D. They are probably a mix of both traits, leaning more towards "the nicest people on earth" side. Not all the girls are superhot, but people here are definitely waaaaaaay better looking on average than in the UK. When I came here my standard for deciding someone is "good looking" went way up and when I went back home to visit I felt like I was in the ugliest country in the world. I guess part of it is that there are a lot less fat people.
How well do you understand Danish and Norwegian now that you have learned Swedish? Talking to Norwegian people is no problem for me. I struggle a lot with Danish, and avoid it as much as possible. I have travelled through Denmark quite a lot, and whilst my boyfriend can get by, I get tired of trying to listen pretty quickly. It's easier when they are actively trying to make it easy for me, but I don't really see the point when we can both just speak English.
> but I don't really see the point when we can both just speak English. ಠ_ಠ Really? Yes, there's very little point in me and a Danish person struggling through a conversation repeating ourselves constantly and being confused when we can both speak English and communicate 1000x better.
How many snow scooters you own? 0! As far as I'm aware, you need to have a license for one, and I'm too lazy for that.
You live in central Kiruna then? because don't you kinda NEED to drive around since there is few busses? or am I a ignorant stockholmer? We live pretty centrally, yes. I live like a 15 minute walk from my workplace (a school). My boyfriend drives to work (there are roads, btw).
How cold is it currently? It's -6 right now. My boyfriend has family in Östersund and sometimes when we've been visiting it's been below -30. (C)
Student/working and if student, what do you study, if worker, what line of work? I'm studying a couple of gymnasie courses (high school) via distance-learning and I'm working as a school administrator. In the autumn I'll be moving to Uppsala to go to university there.
Living in such a cold place where it snows frequently, how do you keep warm and dry? Do you have a favorite brand of cold weather gear and any tips or tricks to stay warm and dry while outside? You don't need to worry about keeping dry. It never rains, it just snows, and you don't have to worry about snow melting on you whilst you're outside. I always wear woolen longjohns and sometimes a wool base-layer top if it's really chilly. I have a huge puffy coat that keeps me very warm. I always wear a woolen hat, a scarf, and sometimes gloves. I love WoolPower for their woolen base layer items. I have a ton of their stuff that I use for hiking as well as winter living. Naturkompaniet (the nature company) sells a lot of good quality winter clothing, esp for skiing and so on. Believe it or not, a bigger problem for me is not staying warm outside, but for those times where I go inside and I'm wearing 3-4 layers inside a shop or something and I'm roasting to death.
But what about boots? Being in the military I'm outside a lot and the combat boots, though said to be waterproof, tend to not be very waterproof in snow after awhile, but not much you can do about that. Even most civilian boots I have dont hold up very long in the snow. I have a pair of Timberlands and a pair of Merrel boots which end up wet after awhile. What kind of boots do you wearecommend? I'm not sure what you mean about them not holding up well. I've had them for 2 years with no problems. I have a waterproofing spray that I use on them every now and then. If you have leather boots you can also use like that polish/varnish stuff that helps protect them. Sometimes when I am lazy I'll just wear sneakers. A lot of my male friends wear regular sneakers, not boots. I don't think it's really a huge issue in the town b/c the snow is often cleared away on the pavements. If you are going out of town a bit then it's good to have boots that protect your legs, obviously, but it doesn't happen often enough that my boots get destroyed from it.
How expensive stuff is there? I mean, I live in finland but i could come to Kiruna because of my space weather physics course (high school) (we would be visiting EISCAT) and i have no idea how everything would cost. Is stuff as expensive as in Stockholm for example? thanks! It's probably more expensive here than in Stockholm. I mean when I go to a bar here and get a beer, I'm paying like 70-80kr, in Stockholm it was a lot easier to find places to sell me beer for like 30kr.
So have you tried any Swedish delicacies as palt and surströmming? And if that's the case, what do you think about them? I tried to try surströmming, but the smell made me literally vomit :D.
Any tips on moving over there, finding work etc? Also did you learn to speak Swedish out there or? For finding work, I think most people get their jobs via people they know and actively soliciting things than by using arbetsförmedlingen (the swedish job centre). Once you get here you need to get your girlfriend to ask her friends etc, go in to places with your CV, and so on. If you study Swedish for Immigrants, a free swedish course all immigrants are entitled to, they can help you get praktik (work experience), where you work for someone for free. I know a lot of people who ended up gettting jobs that way. Once you complete the free Swedish courses, you can study anything else for free, high school type courses etc. If you're planning to study a regular bachelor's in Stockholm you will need to learn fluent Swedish first anyway.
I dont have that much money and I would feel like a burden on my girlfriend if I couldn't find a job quickly. I dropped out of Uni a few years ago and have been just doing shitty jobs since :/ Waste of my potential, years and nothing to show for it. Im on benifits just now in the UK since I got laid off after New Year and I'm at my ropes end with this place :( My parents mentioned helping me out with some money for the university loans but my priorities just now are get over there, get a job, find our own place. If I can get to Uni doing all that then Im sorted. Thanks again for the reply. Maybe I just need the balls to sell all my junk here and just go do it, money and job is the biggest problem right now. Edit: and yeah I signed up with babbel.com a while ago, been trying it out but been too busy with other stuff to commit :/ I need to kick myself in the ass and focus Double Edit: We met in WoW too :P Been over there to visit a TON. 6 years or so now. Edit3: Actually spent some time thinking about it and all I would need is benifits to pay for basics if I stayed with my gf, studying the "Swedish for Immigrants" and possibly get work experience through that. That possible? Getting benefits whilst studying on SFI can be a bit complicated in my experience. Arbetsförmedlingen (the job centre) and försäkringskassan (welfare) are not very open with people about things that you're entitled to. However, if you register as unemployed first, after 3 months you should get referred to a job coach, and then you should get aktikvitetsersättning (activity compensation, a basic benefit of around 3000kr a month), and as well access to education stuff. On the other hand, if you sign up for SFI first and then go to arbetsförmedlingen, I'm not sure what happens. Your best bet is just to go and register as unemployed on day 1 of having your personnummer and see what happens. After 3 months they should send you some info about getting welfare. But like I said it's only 3,000kr a month (around 300 quid).
Is your boyfriend Swedish? Yep.
Im from Scotland and studied in Luleå for a year 2 years ago. I travelled around a wee bit, visited the Lofoten Islands too (which were fantastic). I would love to be in your position, living there is a dream for me. I was wanting to know how much of life up there did you know of? Had you been there a few times before and fallen in love with it too? Before I decided to move here I'd never visited Sweden, or even owned a passport. After we decided I would move here, I came to visit once, a couple of weeks before I moved here for real. I fell in love with it easily. Not necessarily Kiruna itself, but the Abisko/Lappland area, the general access to the outdoors, the feeling of cleanliness and order everywhere..
I only recently came back from a trip to Abisko, which is near Kiruna. It was really beautiful and I saw a great Northern Lights display as well - got some amazing shots of it. It's pretty much my dream place to live, how are jobs in that general area? Is there much employment or would it be hard getting a job over there? I only know basic Swedish, without being fluent do you think it's a guaranteed nono? There's a lot more employment in this län than some other läns of similar size actually. Especially working in the mining industry. You would probably need to have some savings to support yourself whilst you look for work though.
Hur mycket svenska kan du? Ganska mycket faktiskt!
Would you happen to know how difficult it would be for a US citizen to immigrate, and also get a job in telecommunications engineering? I have no idea about how it works for non-EU citizens. Here is the arbetsförmedlingen (like the job centre) page for a search for "telecommunications": http://www.arbetsformedlingen.se/4.38a41afd11d99fbdb65800016.html?T=telecommunications You can see there are a lot of jobs in the south for English speakers. They are more customer support than engineering though.
On a serious note, how is the job market there and how hard is it to get a job? Believe it or not, finding an apartment is often harder than finding a job.
Have you had alot of Fika? Yes, too much in fact. Prinsesstårta is my downfall.
You said your boyfriend has a well paying job? Could you tell us what kind of jobs are available in such a remote place? I wouldn't imagine sectors like IT or banking having too many openings, probably mining or medicine? My boyfriend works for the bank, that has a branch here. There is a huge mining industry, there is a space research centre here that attracts a lot of students, and the tourism industry is pretty big too (there is an ice hotel here and Abisko/Nikkaluokta (mountain stations) aren't far away, we are on the edge of a bunch of national parks). There is a hospital as well, but I think people have to travel further away for things like cancer treatment.
How about IT? I think there are a couple of web design companies, and I'm sure the mining company has a lot of use for IT people. Mining industry jobs cover a bigger scope than just miners. That said, I don't think there is a particularly big IT industry here. We have a pop of only 18,000, after all.
How hard would it be to mix with Swedish people and make friends if you don't have a Swedish friend or partner to begin with? I can't really picture how you would do it. I guess if you got a job you would meet people at work and progress from there. If you do SFI, you will meet a lot of other immigrants, and the SFI people can give you a "praktik" (work experience) placement, where you will meet real Swedes too. On top of that, you can join clubs related to your interests and so on. I guess it's the same as moving to a city where you don't know anyone, except on top of that there's a language barrier. In my experience, Swedes are usually cautiously interested in meeting people from the UK, the US, etc, and are willing and able to speak English for a while, but if you don't learn Swedish pretty fast they might get tired of it. Mostly because a lot of people are a bit self conscious of their English.
Can you see your house from here? AHaha yes I can. The question of which is a secret though ;) You can see how isolated we are. They are actually in the process of moving the entire town so that they can mine where the town currently is.
Wait, this is really interesting. What's the background to that? Is it common? Also, is your name a reference to How I Met Your Mother? HAhaha no, it's not common. There has been a huge mine here for ages, it fuels the entire industry of the town, and a while back they realised that there is increasing subsidence underneath the town. So they decided to move the whole thing. Right now they're working on building a completely new town a little way away that will be safer from subsidence. You can get more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiruna#Moving_the_town I've never seen that show. My name is Victoria and Victoria cake is my favourite type of cake.
Do you drive a Saab or a Volvo, or something else? Have you or your boyfriend ever hit a moose? We have a Volvo. If we hit a moose I expect we wouldn't live to tell the tale.
Have your heard anything in Swedish media about the Saab bankruptcy? The Saab bankruptcy is the only thing the media talks about.
British University student here, how was the process for immigration, my mother got an Australian visa fairly easy but that was based on her profession, is it similar in Sweden? If you are a British citizen you can just come to Sweden at any time and deal with the paperwork after you get here. You don't need to do anything to get permission to come. You might find it hard to find an apartment without a personnummer though. Came to Sweden - Got personnummer - Got job - Got residence permit.
How long did it take for the Foreign Office to recruit you to act as a spy against the local Russian agents? Around a week or so.
Another question, you can get a residence permit if you have someone supporting you too (e.g. Spouse, cohabitant with a partner)? Yes. I think that applies to non-EU people too.
How did your family in Britain react to the news of you moving? I just answered this in my reply to _freestyle, but yeah they were passive and not really bothered, and I didn't have any negative feelings about leaving them either. I was living in London and they were living in south Wales, so we never really saw each other anyway.
How hard is it to become a permanent resident? Not hard. After you have lived here legally for two years you get permanent residence by default when you renew, unless I guess if you did something awful.
Have you ever got robbed in Sweden? No. I had my Macbook stolen in Copenhagen a couple years ago though.
Oh, do you think Sweden has a low percentage of robberies overall? I'm considering moving in a few years and my only fear is getting robbed. :( Have you heard any stories or anything? Haha, wtf? That's not normal. Sweden has a pretty low crime rate compared to a lot of countries. I feel incredibly safe here. Like I have no problem being out by myself at 2AM as a young female.
Hej :D. Tjena!
Fuck you. U mad bro?
Why didn't you just post this in /Sweden? I am a reddit noob and didn't realise that subreddit existed.
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